20th July 2024

For years, the CleanTechnica reader group has amazed me. The standard of thought, range of thought, and depth of data is astounding. After I printed a narrative final evening on Tesla Full Self Driving (FSD) progress, I didn’t actually know what to anticipate. It’s a real gray space that shows super progress in know-how and AI but in addition continues to have evident flaws and has progressed much more slowly than individuals initially bullish on the know-how anticipated (like me). A number of years in the past, I used to be selling Tesla has having the perfect strategy towards growing robotaxis, and I did for years. I’ve been dissatisfied with FSD and don’t see it as wherever near the place I anticipated it to be as we speak in 2020, however I’m additionally clearly open to and wanting to see it enhance. It lastly did make a notable enchancment (to my eyes) in model 11, however I truly spent a lot of the article explaining its shortcomings — so, I didn’t know the way readers would reply.

Properly, after a number of feedback, I noticed an ideal lengthy one which I believed needs to be a standalone article, after which I noticed one other that deserved to be featured, and one other. … The remark thread is stuffed with nice views, and I received’t add all of these right here, however I’m going to repost a number of that add a little bit of perspective to my preliminary piece.


From Mark H:

I’m really amazed by all of it.

I’m amazed that our human brains are so profitable at processing what our optic nerves ship it, in order that we are able to drive as efficiently as we now have.

I’m amazed {that a} not prepared for prime-time beta software program which may really hurt the motive force and others at any time is safer than the human and his hubris. I actually couldn’t have imagined this at this early stage of growth.

I’m amazed that it’s nonetheless that protected after releasing to a non-professional take a look at fleet of over 400,000.

Whether or not it forces individuals driving to pay extra consideration, I don’t know and don’t care. I’m merely amazed that it’s. I do know NHTSA is dying to close it down because of public fears of the pc killing machines. They haven’t thus far as a result of knowledge.

These of us testing are conscious of the numerous many flaws that are documented so properly. Add to that’s the video era seeking to collect likes by blurring the road between “be careful” and “watch this”. I’m amazed that it’s doing higher than people and our hubris. We’d not be allowed to watch the instruments on the trail to autonomous driving if it weren’t for this. It’s so crucial to keep in mind that getting us from level a to level b is simply one of many objectives. And it’s secondary to the first objective summed up by Musk in two phrases, “Don’t crash.” Actually, I’ve to thank a few of my fellow people for not crashing into me from a false slowdown. Whereas I attempt to disengage when individuals strategy, I’ve on a handful of event acquired caught right away with somebody tailgating me adopted by a false slowdown.


From ctromley:

What the FSD boosters fail to acknowledge is that any general security enchancment whereas in growth is totally irrelevant. As a result of the one factor FSD enforces higher than something is intense vigilance over what the automotive is doing. As a result of it retains proving time and again that it will possibly do one thing surprising, silly and harmful at any time.

It forces the driver, who’s finally accountable, to make sure driving extra security. After all security stats will likely be spectacular.

The good take a look at will come when FSD is sweet sufficient that individuals will begin letting their guard down. THAT is when it must make *zero* errors, as a result of the press can have a subject day with studies of some defenseless passenger shedding their life as a result of the autonomous automobile made an surprising, silly and harmful transfer that no human with a functioning mind would ever do.

You realize that day is coming.


From Paul Fosse:

My emotions precisely. This newest beta is an actual enchancment, however I’m nonetheless left with the sensation that it may very well be 1 yr or 10 years to complete the software program. Why? As a result of the progress has been so inconsistent. Everyone knows that freeway autopilot/FSD has been glorious and just about unchanged (besides it simply modified to the brand new stack lately) for about 5 years. Why didn’t Tesla make that arms free, take legal responsibility for the driving and let individuals loosen up on lengthy journeys and do different issues? It might simply have to offer us 5 seconds discover when it was getting confused and it wanted consideration. That will have been an enormous step ahead and Tesla may have achieved that four or 5 years in the past. Then work on town driving.


From Pitounet:

Individuals will anticipate much more from a robotaxi, simply contemplate what individuals anticipate from regular taxis and you’ll notice that Tesla is much off.

After I take a taxi or a Uber I anticipate him to do no error ant alol, anny error will make me extraordinarily uncomfortable and Want I didn’t take a taxi. The overwhelming majority of instances meet my expectation.

As soon as I had a Uber make two errors on me on the second error I requested him to drop me within the spot and I requested Uber my experience to be refunded.

It has occurred to me a number of instances that I wasn’t snug in a taxi as a result of the motive force wouldn’t drive like I need. Both being too blunt or too sluggish at purple strains, it diminished my consolation and I would definitely not take this driver one other time if I had the selection. So not solely does a taxi driver have to make no error, but in addition does he have to drive “usually”, easily sufficient and assertively sufficient.

It’s techno idolatry to anticipate individuals to be extra tolerant with robotic vehicles simply because they’re managed by software program. The bar for accepting to be pushed by an AI is way greater than you appear to understand.


From Daniel Wilder:

Completely agree with the article. Love my Tesla, no regrets about shopping for FSD in 2019, and like it on the freeway. However utilizing it round city is hectic and it annoys different drivers with it’s non-human-like actions. However I’m having fun with watching it enhance and stay up for each new launch.


From Baird Edmonds:

That is an trustworthy description of my expertise with FSD over the previous 2 half years with my M3LR. Nonetheless many errors in fairly easy situations, actually too many to checklist right here. I really like the automotive and have nice admiration for what Tesla has achieved however FSD is much from prepared for autonomous driving.


From bjrosen:

I’ve had FSD for 4 years, I don’t suppose it’s ever going to work. The newest beta continues to be horrible. Tesla painted themselves in a nook by claiming that the {hardware} that was accessible in 2016 was adequate to carry out degree 5 self driving and promoting it with the promise that they’d get there with simply software program enhancements. If that they had simply offered it as enhanced autopilot and left the FSD claims for the longer term when higher sensors turned accessible they’d have made extra progress. Cameras have been getting higher, radar has been getting higher, FLIR cameras can be found and LIDAR is getting moderately low cost. Tesla can have higher cameras and a brand new radar in HW4, and perhaps that can assist, however it will possibly’t be retrofitted into the million vehicles that have already got FSD so they’re caught attempting to do the inconceivable which is to make it work in vehicles which have insufficient sensor suites. At what level will they admit that they will’t get there with the {hardware} that they’ve.


That captures just about each helpful perspective I can suppose up — and, after all, many I didn’t. However maintain the dialog going. There may be certainly extra to say.

 


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